, for five, six years, even before he endorsed barack obama the first time, i would get attacked for associating with colin powell's very conservative with a small "c" realist approach that republican presidents followed for years. it was the weinberger doctrine. it was the reagan doctrine. it was the powell doctrine. and suddenly, it became the doctrine of lefties? >> colin powell is a self-identified republican and has been for many, many years. and with each passing year, with each passing election cycle, the republican party, too many within the republican party, try to further estrange him from the republican party platform, from much of what is said publicly by a lot of republicans. colin powell is also a guy who has the ability and the belief that a lot of republicans -- not a lot -- but too many republicans and too many democrats don't have, he has the ability and the belief to put country ahead of party. and that's unfortunately something that's passe in washington. >> the problem, leigh, though is there are, you know, we're here in new york. or washington or boston or l.a.
negative number since back in 2008, the year president obama first got elected. democrats not doing much better, but better, 38% view the democratic party negatively. so gene, the president's had a pretty good time politically since the election. republicans are starting to figure out how to come back. to the extent republicans have leverage in the upcoming talks, particularly on fiscal issues, where do you think their leverage lies given how unpopular they are and how unpopular congress is? >> well, i think they have less leverage than some people think they have. i mean, i think it would be, frankly, another disaster if republicans try to use the debt ceiling, to force dollar-for-dollar budget reductions. i don't see that as a winner for them, and i can't imagine at least the party establishment is now seeing that as a potential winner for them. i mean, you know, face it. the president won the election. and he laid out a program and a philosophy, and he won the election on it. and i think as long as republicans are going to take the stance that he didn't win and that, in fact, the
another question that we should be asking ourselves now. 40 years from now, historians will be looking back on our time. or 60 years from now. and what will they say about how we responded to this? it's not just about president obama. it's about all of us. >> or how we didn't respond to it. >> we're all on a dock here. and i think that's the question that we have to ask ourselves. and it has to be asked across the political and the cultural spectrum including the people who feel that they have a right to own an assault weapon and the people in their community who feel that they don't have a right to. there has to be this dialogue across the country in small western communities, in the south and in the big cities as well. as reverend al knows, there's no greater carnage from guns than in the inner cities of america. >> absolutely. >> 506 homicides last year in chicago, most of them in the inner city. >> i've just been reading about -- you all remember nickel mines, the shooting there, which was actually a handgun. it highlights -- and that was, i don't think, had the emotional force, th
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